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Al Brumski

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Posted on:
Nov 7, 2007, 9:19 PM

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I live in the Chicago area, and like to take hops from various local
airports to others.

For example, Chicago Midway to Dupage county airport (KMDW -> KDPA).

Now KDPA is ~27 miles northwest (actually bearing 287) from KMDW.

I frequently listen to the local aviation frequencies and ATC
directions are almost always straight forward and direct to the
desired airport.

My question is why does FS9 ATC direct me in an absolutely ridiculous
route out over lake Michigan, north near KUGN (Waukegan), and then
south for an ILSl approach to runway 2 (which is the only thing that
makes sense since I use actual weather conditions and today the wind
was from the north).

This in no way compares to real world near direct flight plans where
fuel consumption and time are of the essence..

If there's a way to correct this in FS9, I haven't found it as of
yet..

Cross country flights seem to be fine.

Any thoughts???

By the way, FS9 generates a direct low altitude IFR flight plan with
no way points i.e.direct to KDPA. It's ATC that takes me on the
"scenic" route.



Vernon Balbert

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Nov 7, 2007, 9:24 PM

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On 11/7/2007 6:19 PM, Al Brumski went clickity clack on the keyboard and
produced this interesting bit of text:
> I live in the Chicago area, and like to take hops from various local
> airports to others.
>
> For example, Chicago Midway to Dupage county airport (KMDW -> KDPA).
>
> Now KDPA is ~27 miles northwest (actually bearing 287) from KMDW.
>
> I frequently listen to the local aviation frequencies and ATC
> directions are almost always straight forward and direct to the
> desired airport.
>
> My question is why does FS9 ATC direct me in an absolutely ridiculous
> route out over lake Michigan, north near KUGN (Waukegan), and then
> south for an ILSl approach to runway 2 (which is the only thing that
> makes sense since I use actual weather conditions and today the wind
> was from the north).
>
> This in no way compares to real world near direct flight plans where
> fuel consumption and time are of the essence..
>
> If there's a way to correct this in FS9, I haven't found it as of
> yet..
>
> Cross country flights seem to be fine.
>
> Any thoughts???
>
> By the way, FS9 generates a direct low altitude IFR flight plan with
> no way points i.e.direct to KDPA. It's ATC that takes me on the
> "scenic" route.

The ATC seems pretty funky to me, too. For example, I'll be within 100
miles of my destination airport when the ATC takes me off my flight plan
so they can position me for landing. No problem there, but sometimes
I'll get instructions like, "Turn left to heading 305 degrees." I'll
turn left and as soon as I hit the assigned course I'll get a command to
turn back onto my previous course. Not very comfortable for my
passengers to be banking left and right so quickly.

--
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but Ben Vereen never answered our proposition."



"scott s."

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Nov 7, 2007, 9:41 PM

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Al Brumski <A_Brumski@least.ok?> wrote in
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>
> If there's a way to correct this in FS9, I haven't found it as of
> yet..
>
> Cross country flights seem to be fine.
>
> Any thoughts???
>
> By the way, FS9 generates a direct low altitude IFR flight plan with
> no way points i.e.direct to KDPA. It's ATC that takes me on the
> "scenic" route.

I don't think the ATC was designed to deal with the kind of flight
plans you are doing. At any rate, often it can work better to
request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
the inital approach vectors from ATC.

scott s.
.




Al Brumski

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Nov 7, 2007, 10:37 PM

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Re: A question regarding IFR flights to surrounding airports (FS9) [In reply to "scott s."] Not logged in -   Reply 

Scott,

*******************************************************************************
request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
the inital approach vectors from ATC
*******************************************************************************

How does one do this???

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:41:15 -0000, "scott s." <75270_3703a@csi.xcom>
wrote:

>Al Brumski <A_Brumski@least.ok?> wrote in
>news:lhr4j3paehqlqckgdqon792qnss6c49a24@4ax.com:
>
>>
>> If there's a way to correct this in FS9, I haven't found it as of
>> yet..
>>
>> Cross country flights seem to be fine.
>>
>> Any thoughts???
>>
>> By the way, FS9 generates a direct low altitude IFR flight plan with
>> no way points i.e.direct to KDPA. It's ATC that takes me on the
>> "scenic" route.
>
>I don't think the ATC was designed to deal with the kind of flight
>plans you are doing. At any rate, often it can work better to
>request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
>the inital approach vectors from ATC.
>
>scott s.
>.
>




"Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris)"

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Posted on:
Nov 8, 2007, 4:46 AM

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On Nov 8, 3:37 am, Al Brumski <A_Brum...@least.ok?> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> ***************************************************************************­****
> request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
> the inital approach vectors from ATC
> ***************************************************************************­****
>
> How does one do this???
>


Was just thinking the same. Only options I get are requestion touch
and goes or full landing with no reference to any type of approach.
The only choice for approach comes via the gps not through ATC in FS9

Ibby




Mxsmanic

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Nov 8, 2007, 3:20 PM

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Al Brumski writes:

> Any thoughts???

Joint VATSIM, and get real ATC with FS9, instead of a computer imitation.
You'll never go back to the default ATC.



"john hawkins"

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Posted on:
Nov 9, 2007, 9:24 PM

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Re: A question regarding IFR flights to surrounding airports (FS9) [In reply to Al Brumski] Not logged in -   Reply 

I, too, had problems with FS ATC. My solution was to buy Radar Contact. It
is soo much better than FS ATC.see
http://www.jdtllc.com/. I do not work for shill for jdtllc. I'm just a
satisfied user.

"Al Brumski" <A_Brumski@least.ok?> wrote in message
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> Scott,
>
> *******************************************************************************
> request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
> the inital approach vectors from ATC
> *******************************************************************************
>
> How does one do this???
>
> On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:41:15 -0000, "scott s." <75270_3703a@csi.xcom>
> wrote:
>
>>Al Brumski <A_Brumski@least.ok?> wrote in
>>news:lhr4j3paehqlqckgdqon792qnss6c49a24@4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>> If there's a way to correct this in FS9, I haven't found it as of
>>> yet..
>>>
>>> Cross country flights seem to be fine.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts???
>>>
>>> By the way, FS9 generates a direct low altitude IFR flight plan with
>>> no way points i.e.direct to KDPA. It's ATC that takes me on the
>>> "scenic" route.
>>
>>I don't think the ATC was designed to deal with the kind of flight
>>plans you are doing. At any rate, often it can work better to
>>request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
>>the inital approach vectors from ATC.
>>
>>scott s.
>>.
>>
>




Mxsmanic

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Posted on:
Nov 9, 2007, 10:53 PM

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john hawkins writes:

> I, too, had problems with FS ATC. My solution was to buy Radar Contact. It
> is soo much better than FS ATC.

VATSIM is best of all.



"scott s."

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Nov 11, 2007, 11:57 AM

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"Ibby (The Artist Formerly Known as Chris)" <cjibbotson@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote in news:1194515173.821679.31790@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 8, 3:37 am, Al Brumski <A_Brum...@least.ok?> wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> **********************************************************************
>> ***
> **­****
>> request the full approach via the ATC menus, instead of accepting
>> the inital approach vectors from ATC
>> **********************************************************************
>> ***
> **­****
>>
>> How does one do this???
>>
>
>
> Was just thinking the same. Only options I get are requestion touch
> and goes or full landing with no reference to any type of approach.
> The only choice for approach comes via the gps not through ATC in FS9


Assuming you have filed an IFR flight plan to a destination airport
with ILS, ATC will advise you to "expect vectors ILS runway xx".
At that point, the response ATC menu allows you to accept this
approach, or request a different approach or runway. If you
select request a different approach, you get a menu of the
available approaches. You can then select the ILS approach
for the same runway as given by ATC, and then in most cases,
there is a sbumenu with transition points, or "vectors to
final". If you select a transition point, and then request the
approach from ATC, ATC will clear you direct tot the transition
point, after which ATC will clear yo for the approach, which
you can follow on paper charts or the GPS.

scott s.
.



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