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Iain Smith

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Nov 1, 2007, 12:33 PM

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I have the BSMP Saab 2000 with a panel by David Durst. All was well
until a couple of days ago when for no apparent reason, the AP stopped
working. I tried another panel but no luck. I even uninstalled and
re-installed the aircraft but still noy joy.

Anyone got any idea why a working AP will suddenly stop working?

Iain



"Crash Lander"

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Nov 1, 2007, 5:04 PM

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"Iain Smith" <iain.smith@2btinternet3.com> wrote in message
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> Anyone got any idea why a working AP will suddenly stop working?
>
> Iain

Is he a Union Member?
Crash Lander
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Brett I. Holcomb

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"Not4wood"

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Nov 1, 2007, 9:06 PM

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Go into my computer and look into the aircraft.cfg file and look for the
Autopilot statement.

It should look like this ( I copied this from the Saab that I have in my
Hanger):


--
[autopilot]

autopilot_available= 1

flight_director_available= 1

default_vertical_speed= 1200.0

autothrottle_available= 1

max_pitch=10.0

max_pitch_acceleration=1.0

max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.0

max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.5

max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.0

max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.0

max_bank=25.0

max_bank_acceleration=1.8

max_bank_velocity=3.00

max_throttle_rate=0.10

nav_proportional_control=9.00

nav_integrator_control=0.25

nav_derivative_control=0.00

nav_integrator_boundary=2.50

nav_derivative_boundary=0.00

gs_proportional_control=9.52

gs_integrator_control=0.26

gs_derivative_control=0.00

gs_integrator_boundary=0.70

gs_derivative_boundary=0.00

yaw_damper_gain = 1.0

pitch_takeoff_ga= 8.000

autothrottle_arming_required=0

autothrottle_takeoff_ga=0

autothrottle_max_rpm=90.000000

--

Now if you see the first couple of lines, this will activate the AP.
Autopilot =1 means its active. 0 (zero is NOT active) Flight Director is
active as well as Autothrottle.

Maybe its possible that this aircraft.cfg was altered or overwritten by
something. Check it out before you do anything. This aircraft.cfg can be
altered but never rename it. Save or you can copy it and rename the new
file to Orig_aircraft.cfg this is what I do when I want to play with some
settings or an update to change something.

Good luck and keep us posted in case you do find it.

Not4wood



"Iain Smith" <iain.smith@2btinternet3.com> wrote in message
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>I have the BSMP Saab 2000 with a panel by David Durst. All was well until a
>couple of days ago when for no apparent reason, the AP stopped working. I
>tried another panel but no luck. I even uninstalled and re-installed the
>aircraft but still noy joy.
>
> Anyone got any idea why a working AP will suddenly stop working?
>
> Iain




"donbutts"

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Nov 2, 2007, 5:40 AM

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"Crash Lander" <here@there.com.za> wrote in message
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> "Iain Smith" <iain.smith@2btinternet3.com> wrote in message
> news:MeqdnSAqs7t2kLfanZ2dnUVZ8tyqnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Anyone got any idea why a working AP will suddenly stop working?
>>
>> Iain
>
> Is he a Union Member?
> Crash Lander
>
ROTFLMAO!!!




"donbutts"

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Nov 2, 2007, 6:00 AM

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Brett advised:

> Go into my computer and look into the aircraft.cfg file and look for the
Autopilot statement.

he means go to your own computer Iain Smile

surely if you reinstalled the entire aircraft the CFG would right itself if
incorrect.
likewise with the panel CFG reference. does it point to bulk gauges folder
or a seperate gauges folder?
does the switch work or the A/P light come on or is all just blank and dead?

Don




Iain Smith

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Nov 2, 2007, 6:38 AM

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Crash Lander wrote:
> "Iain Smith" <iain.smith@2btinternet3.com> wrote in message
> news:MeqdnSAqs7t2kLfanZ2dnUVZ8tyqnZ2d@bt.com...
>> Anyone got any idea why a working AP will suddenly stop working?

> Is he a Union Member?

ROFL! Good one!

Iain



Iain Smith

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Nov 2, 2007, 6:43 AM

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Not4wood wrote:
> Go into my computer and look into the aircraft.cfg file and look for the
> Autopilot statement.

Yes already checked that out Mark and all is ok with the entry in the
cfg. I cannot toggle it on or off. Pressing the CMD button does nothing
and pressing the HDG and ALT buttons does not illuminate their indicator
lights. The only button that works now is the IAS for the auto-throttle.

This is why it's such a mystery to me. Nothing has changed that would
affect it. It's as if the AP is an actual piece of hardware that has
failed rather than being a software simulation! Smile

Iain



Iain Smith

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Nov 2, 2007, 6:46 AM

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donbutts wrote:
> surely if you reinstalled the entire aircraft the CFG would right itself if
> incorrect.
> likewise with the panel CFG reference. does it point to bulk gauges folder
> or a seperate gauges folder?
> does the switch work or the A/P light come on or is all just blank and dead?

Hi Don - see my answer to Mark (Not4Wood). Now I'm not too clever with
panels and their cfg. Where will I find the pointer to gauges?

Iain



Iain Smith

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Nov 2, 2007, 6:47 AM

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Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
> Did it get toggled off accidently?
>
No Brett, nothing as simple as that unfortunately. Smile

Iain



PJ

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Nov 2, 2007, 9:54 AM

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Iain Smith wrote:
> I have the BSMP Saab 2000 with a panel by David Durst. All was well
> until a couple of days ago when for no apparent reason, the AP stopped
> working. I tried another panel but no luck. I even uninstalled and
> re-installed the aircraft but still noy joy.
>
> Anyone got any idea why a working AP will suddenly stop working?
>
> Iain

Try installing a new autp pilpt gauge



Iain Smith

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Nov 2, 2007, 2:04 PM

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PJ wrote:
> Try installing a new autp pilpt gauge

I wouldn't know how to do that! Smile

Iain



Propwash

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Posted on:
Nov 2, 2007, 4:18 PM

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Iain Smith wrote:
> Not4wood wrote:
>
>Pressing the CMD button does nothing
> and pressing the HDG and ALT buttons does not illuminate their indicator
> lights. The only button that works now is the IAS for the auto-throttle.
>
> Iain

Iain,
I replaced the original panel with following:

File: hps2000p.zip 12/04/05 flightsim.com (Panel-Paetzold)
File: hp2000wv.zip 09/10/06 flightsim.com (Panel update-Paetzold)

I dont have the original panel to check, but assuming the "overhead"
window is still the same, open the overhead and look in the lower
middle right and find the Elec DC Pwr section. Ensure you have the L
Bus Tie and R Bus tie lights on. If not on, this will prevent the AP
functions, but the Autothrottle and YD lights will still come on.
(ADI background will also be inop if this is your problem!)

Prop




"Not4wood"

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Nov 2, 2007, 5:03 PM

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How bout looking into the Libraries of either www.Avsim.com or
www.Flightsim.com and downloading a panel for it then when you install it,
there should be new gauges for you to install.

Not4wood

"Iain Smith" <iain.smith@2btinternet3.com> wrote in message
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> PJ wrote:
> > Try installing a new autp pilpt gauge
>
> I wouldn't know how to do that! Smile
>
> Iain




"donbutts"

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Nov 2, 2007, 5:06 PM

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> Hi Don - see my answer to Mark (Not4Wood). Now I'm not too clever with
> panels and their cfg. Where will I find the pointer to gauges?
>
> Iain

its more of an expression sorry Iain
eg
gauge 37 = autopilotxbrand

autopilotxbrand can be found sitting in the bulk gauges folder waiting for
panel CFG instruction on load up.
(or the aircraft may have its own gauge folder)

if you changed panel CFG to gauge 37 = autopilotybrand

a replacement A/P of that name would possibly appear on the panel around
same area.

Just an explanation not a fix Iain.

by the way, you were pretty clued up when it came to contact points on the
CFG so don't hand me that!!

Don




Mxsmanic

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Nov 3, 2007, 12:53 PM

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Iain Smith writes:

> This is why it's such a mystery to me. Nothing has changed that would
> affect it. It's as if the AP is an actual piece of hardware that has
> failed rather than being a software simulation! Smile

Maybe it's a simulation of an AP hardware failure.

I've been surprised by my add-on aircraft more than once. I once was doing
some touch-and-go operations in my Baron 58, a payware add-on from Dreamfleet,
and after a few of them I noticed that the aircraft was rolling strongly to
the left. I checked and rechecked everything trying to find out what I could
be doing to cause it, with no luck. Finally I noticed that if I retracted the
flaps, the aircraft stopped rolling. I decided to land and figure things out.
Ultimately I discovered that there was nothing wrong with the sim--on the
contrary, it had accurately simulated damage to one of the flaps from an
unusually hard touchdown. When the flap was extended, the one on the right
was just about half an inch lower than the one on the left, and that was
enough to make the plane want to roll. The sim designers had gone to the
trouble of simulating even minor damage like that. I was quite impressed!

Fortunately, I didn't have to spend thousands of dollars to fix it. Reloading
a fresh copy of the aircraft fixed the flaps. At least with this aircraft,
things break just as in real life, if you're careless.



Iain Smith

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Nov 3, 2007, 5:11 PM

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donbutts wrote:
>
> Just an explanation not a fix Iain.

Understood - thanks Don.
>
> by the way, you were pretty clued up when it came to contact points on the
> CFG so don't hand me that!!
>

I find aircraft cfgs easier to mess with than the panels.

Iain



Iain Smith

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Propwash wrote:

> I replaced the original panel with following:
>
> File: hps2000p.zip 12/04/05 flightsim.com (Panel-Paetzold)
> File: hp2000wv.zip 09/10/06 flightsim.com (Panel update-Paetzold)

I think I d/loaded that one and tried it but if I remember correctly it
had you sitting in the centre as if you were in the jump seat, rather
than to one side (the left, of course Smile) so I chose the one I'm using
instead. I'll check out what you say Prop, thanks.

Iain



Iain Smith

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Not4wood wrote:
> How bout looking into the Libraries of either www.Avsim.com or
> www.Flightsim.com and downloading a panel for it then when you install it,
> there should be new gauges for you to install.

When I searched Avsim there were not too many Saab 2000 panels to be had
Mark. Thanks for the suggestion but I would have thought that
re-installing from the original zip archive would have refreshed
everything back to normal.

Iain



Propwash

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Nov 3, 2007, 9:08 PM

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Iain Smith wrote:
>
> I think I d/loaded that one and tried it but if I remember correctly it
> had you sitting in the centre as if you were in the jump seat, rather
> than to one side (the left, of course Smile) so I chose the one I'm using
> instead. I'll check out what you say Prop, thanks.
>
> Iain


Yeah, I think the new one uses all the old gauges, etc., but just
changed the size and position of display so you could see the entire
panel. If so, the overhead window should still be the same.

Prop




"Not4wood"

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When you use the original download, did it ask you for confirmation to
overwrite the gauges in the gauge files directory?? If not then you still
have those corrupt gauges and they need to be corrected.

Thats why I mentioned getting a new panel, since that might come with some
new gauges you can overwrite what you have thats causing the problem.

Not4wood




"Iain Smith" <iain.smith@2btinternet3.com> wrote in message
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> Not4wood wrote:
>> How bout looking into the Libraries of either www.Avsim.com or
>> www.Flightsim.com and downloading a panel for it then when you install
>> it, there should be new gauges for you to install.
>
> When I searched Avsim there were not too many Saab 2000 panels to be had
> Mark. Thanks for the suggestion but I would have thought that
> re-installing from the original zip archive would have refreshed
> everything back to normal.
>
> Iain




Iain Smith

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Not4wood wrote:
>
> Thats why I mentioned getting a new panel, since that might come with some
> new gauges you can overwrite what you have thats causing the problem.
>
Ah! I see where you're coming from Mark. Yes good thinking, I'll give
that a try.

Iain



Iain Smith

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Iain Smith wrote:

Well after repeatedly trying to get the panel working properly (by
re-downloading and installing gauges in the panel folder instead of the
gauges folder) all to no avail and finding that I couldn't tune the
radios, I d/loaded and installed what was my second choice panel. It
works fine and I can get used to a more central position with the 2D
panel (the BSMP Saab doesn't have a VC and anyway I prefer 2D panels) so
the a/craft is flying again.

The problem may have been that the first panel was really for FS8,
although I didn't think that mattered for a/craft and panels.

Thanks to Mark (Not4Wood), Brett, Don and Prop for your helpful suggestions.

Iain



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