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Martin C

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A couple of days ago, I tried the default Mooney Bravo in FSX. I
usually fly the C172, but decided to try a faster plane.

I could take off and fly it passably, but when it came to landing, I
found that I needed to keep the nose so high that I couldn't see the
runway ahead. I was on an ILS, so I got it on the ground OK, but I
would like to lknow if others have the same problem, or if I just lack
experience.

I was flying the numbers given in the book "Flight Simulator X for
Real World Pilots" and think that I had them pretty well nailed,
except that my airspeed was too high unless I used the speedbrake,
which I assume would be incorrect.



David Wilson-Okamura

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Martin, I used to fly the Mooney full-time, and didn't notice the nose-
high behavior on final. Shouldn't need speed brake either. Is it
possible that the numbers are wrong in the book? (I've been planning
to get it, but no time right to read it right now.) Might double-check
with the numbers in help/checklist/kneeboard reference. Are you using
flaps? (Sorry for the dumb questions here -- I don't mean to imply
anything about your level of knowledge or experience, just trying to
think through the possibilities.)




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"wim.dijkgraaf"

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You have to land on 3 wheels, flaps 50% and a speed of 90kts.
I think your speed was too low at first, your plane is desending below ILS
mark and by increasing your speed he try to go to the ILS mark which is
above him. That is why is nose is upright to the sky.
As soon he is back on ILS track hi levels out.
Wim Dijkgraaf


"Martin C" <mkcowley_remove_this_@optusnet.com.au> schreef in bericht
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>A couple of days ago, I tried the default Mooney Bravo in FSX. I
> usually fly the C172, but decided to try a faster plane.
>
> I could take off and fly it passably, but when it came to landing, I
> found that I needed to keep the nose so high that I couldn't see the
> runway ahead. I was on an ILS, so I got it on the ground OK, but I
> would like to lknow if others have the same problem, or if I just lack
> experience.
>
> I was flying the numbers given in the book "Flight Simulator X for
> Real World Pilots" and think that I had them pretty well nailed,
> except that my airspeed was too high unless I used the speedbrake,
> which I assume would be incorrect.




Martin C

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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:35:18 -0800, David Wilson-Okamura
<dswo@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Martin, I used to fly the Mooney full-time, and didn't notice the nose-
>high behavior on final. Shouldn't need speed brake either. Is it
>possible that the numbers are wrong in the book? (I've been planning
>to get it, but no time right to read it right now.) Might double-check
>with the numbers in help/checklist/kneeboard reference. Are you using
>flaps? (Sorry for the dumb questions here -- I don't mean to imply
>anything about your level of knowledge or experience, just trying to
>think through the possibilities.)

Hi David,

The numbers for approach descent in the book were (flaps and gear
down) 19" MP, full forward prop, pitch 0º, 100KIAS, ROD 500fpm. When I
get a chance, I will try again with the same numbers and see how I go.



Martin C

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On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 21:07:16 -0500, notspecified
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>In article <19p9j314mfg7eri6thk2jsq6c4kg0ba417@4ax.com>, mkcowley_remove_this_@optusnet.com.au
>says...
>> A couple of days ago, I tried the default Mooney Bravo in FSX. I
>> usually fly the C172, but decided to try a faster plane.
>>
>> I could take off and fly it passably, but when it came to landing, I
>> found that I needed to keep the nose so high that I couldn't see the
>> runway ahead. I was on an ILS, so I got it on the ground OK, but I
>> would like to lknow if others have the same problem, or if I just lack
>> experience.
>>
>> I was flying the numbers given in the book "Flight Simulator X for
>> Real World Pilots" and think that I had them pretty well nailed,
>> except that my airspeed was too high unless I used the speedbrake,
>> which I assume would be incorrect.
>>
>
>did you have flaps set correctly?

Yes, the book specified full flaps and that certainly seemed logical
to me. As I replied to David's post, I will try it again sometime.



Martin C

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:49:08 +0100, "wim.dijkgraaf"
<wim.dijkgraaf@casema_weg.nl> wrote:

>You have to land on 3 wheels, flaps 50% and a speed of 90kts.
>I think your speed was too low at first, your plane is desending below ILS
>mark and by increasing your speed he try to go to the ILS mark which is
>above him. That is why is nose is upright to the sky.
>As soon he is back on ILS track hi levels out.
>Wim Dijkgraaf
>
>
>"Martin C" <mkcowley_remove_this_@optusnet.com.au> schreef in bericht
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>>A couple of days ago, I tried the default Mooney Bravo in FSX. I
>> usually fly the C172, but decided to try a faster plane.

Thanks Wim, I will try it again.



"Roger (K8RI)"

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Nov 11, 2007, 3:14 AM

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On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:49:08 +0100, "wim.dijkgraaf"
<wim.dijkgraaf@casema_weg.nl> wrote:

>You have to land on 3 wheels, flaps 50% and a speed of 90kts.

Normal landing should be on the mains with the nose gear just a few
inches off. IRL the Air Safety foundation says full flaps. I tried
that earlier tonight and the resulting landing was a greaser.
As my old instructors used to say, Mains are strong for landing. Nose
gear is fragile and expensive. Use it only for low speed steering.

The Mooney wants to float and full flaps should help slow it more
quickly. I'd consider 90 knots down final a bit fast, but get the
real life *book* figures, not what some one else flies and use those
numbers. Most pilots tend to land too fast. Bo pilots are probably the
worst of the lot. I doubt Mooney pilots would be far behind except for
the tendency of the Mooney to float even with a couple MPH extra where
as the Bo requires a lot of extra speed to float and those big flaps
at 40 degrees slow it in a hurry. The Mooney sits very close to the
runway on short, squat gear with the wing on the Bo being nearly 3
times that height on tall gear.

>I think your speed was too low at first, your plane is desending below ILS

That sounds logical.

>mark and by increasing your speed he try to go to the ILS mark which is
>above him. That is why is nose is upright to the sky.

Adding speed should not raise the nose. You add power and hold the
same attitude unless wayyyy below the GS or far too slow.

>As soon he is back on ILS track hi levels out.

If that is the case he'd lifting the nose to gain altitude not
applying power. If way below GS then you do add power and raise the
nose adjusting the power and pitch again at intercept or rather
leading (or prior to) the intercept with the change a bit ahead of
time.

Typically they teach "attitude flying' where you adjust your rate of
descent with power and use pitch for airspeed which of course sounds
backwards.

Roger (K8RI)
.
>Wim Dijkgraaf
>
>
>"Martin C" <mkcowley_remove_this_@optusnet.com.au> schreef in bericht
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>>A couple of days ago, I tried the default Mooney Bravo in FSX. I
>> usually fly the C172, but decided to try a faster plane.
>>
>> I could take off and fly it passably, but when it came to landing, I
>> found that I needed to keep the nose so high that I couldn't see the
>> runway ahead. I was on an ILS, so I got it on the ground OK, but I
>> would like to lknow if others have the same problem, or if I just lack
>> experience.
>>
>> I was flying the numbers given in the book "Flight Simulator X for
>> Real World Pilots" and think that I had them pretty well nailed,
>> except that my airspeed was too high unless I used the speedbrake,
>> which I assume would be incorrect.
>



"Roger (K8RI)"

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Nov 11, 2007, 3:29 AM

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On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:08:29 +1030, Martin C
<mkcowley_remove_this_@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:35:18 -0800, David Wilson-Okamura
><dswo@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Martin, I used to fly the Mooney full-time, and didn't notice the nose-
>>high behavior on final. Shouldn't need speed brake either. Is it
>>possible that the numbers are wrong in the book? (I've been planning
>>to get it, but no time right to read it right now.) Might double-check
>>with the numbers in help/checklist/kneeboard reference. Are you using
>>flaps? (Sorry for the dumb questions here -- I don't mean to imply
>>anything about your level of knowledge or experience, just trying to
>>think through the possibilities.)
>
>Hi David,
>
>The numbers for approach descent in the book were (flaps and gear
>down) 19" MP, full forward prop, pitch 0º, 100KIAS, ROD 500fpm. When I
>get a chance, I will try again with the same numbers and see how I go.

With a stall speed of 58 knots (If the figures I found are correct) it
should be coming down final at roughly a tad over 75 knots. 58 X 1.3
=75.4 which is almost identical to the numbers for my Deb. That means
coming down final carrying a fair amount of power.

Roger (K8RI)



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