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Gregory

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Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid

Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.

-G




"John Ward"

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Hi Greg,

It didn't register, in any way whatsoever, in Aus', mate.

Regards,
John Ward
"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>
> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.
>
> -G
>




"Quilljar"

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Nov 19, 2007, 7:59 AM

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I have absolutely no idea what this is all about, nor, i think, has anyone
in the Uk.

--
Yrs Quilly


"John Ward" <jrmward@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
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> Hi Greg,
>
> It didn't register, in any way whatsoever, in Aus', mate.
>
> Regards,
> John Ward
> "Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ejt2k31uak3bupmerotk8nc9q59m5s3tol@4ax.com...
>>
>> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>>
>> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
>> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.
>>
>> -G
>>
>
>




"John Ward"

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Nov 19, 2007, 8:11 AM

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Hi Quilly,

I have no fucking clue either, what this is all about - I was just
trying to be kind to Greg... Smile))

Any clues? Please fill me in, mate!!!

John
"Quilljar" <Not@home.today> wrote in message
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>I have absolutely no idea what this is all about, nor, i think, has anyone
>in the Uk.
>
> --
> Yrs Quilly
>
>
> "John Ward" <jrmward@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
> news:474182b1$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> It didn't register, in any way whatsoever, in Aus', mate.
>>
>> Regards,
>> John Ward
>> "Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:ejt2k31uak3bupmerotk8nc9q59m5s3tol@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>>>
>>> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
>>> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.
>>>
>>> -G
>>>
>>
>>
>




"Iain Smith"

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Nov 19, 2007, 8:16 AM

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"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>
> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?

Er, no. Couldn't even find it on the BBC news website. Sorry but it's
clearly not very important! Wink

Iain




"Rog"

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"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>
> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.
>
> -G
>
Was MI5 involved?
--
Rog
http://www.rog.richieward.com




Arthur Buse

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Nov 19, 2007, 5:37 PM

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Gregory wrote:

>
> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>
> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.

I am in the UK. I have never heard of Ron Paul, nor Liberty Dollars.
I do not take much notice of the news, only the top 4 or 5 stories each day,
and do not read the financial press. I did hear a Brazillian model has
asked to be paid in euros, not dollars.

--
A.B.



"John Ward"

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Nov 19, 2007, 7:29 PM

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Hi Arthur,

ROTFL - a man of my own heart!! Smile)

I do make a point, though, of listening to the BBC World Service most
nights, as it is the most factual, informative news service in the world.

But some days, I just don't bother, mate! Smile)

Regards,
John Ward
"Arthur Buse" <spam@zathras.org.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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> Gregory wrote:
>
>>
>> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>>
>> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
>> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.
>
> I am in the UK. I have never heard of Ron Paul, nor Liberty Dollars.
> I do not take much notice of the news, only the top 4 or 5 stories each
> day,
> and do not read the financial press. I did hear a Brazillian model has
> asked to be paid in euros, not dollars.
>
> --
> A.B.




Gregory

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:16:54 -0000, "Iain Smith"
<iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> brought the following:

>
>"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>>
>> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>>
>> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
>
>Er, no. Couldn't even find it on the BBC news website. Sorry but it's
>clearly not very important! Wink
>
>Iain
>

Not important? That's what the elite want you to think.
Try this link: http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar

Coins with RP are going on ebay for $50 to $200 today.

Anyway.. isn't what Brittany Whatsherface is wearing today
more important? Or the shopping news, or the ball scores?

-G




Gregory

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On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:11:41 +1000, "John Ward" <jrmward@tpg.com.au>
brought the following to our attention:

>Hi Quilly,
>
> I have no fucking clue either, what this is all
>about - I was just trying to be kind to Greg... Smile))
>
> Any clues? Please fill me in, mate!!!
>
>John

Let's do the FDR part them:

"The fact of the matter is, as you and I both
well know, that this is the fact of the matter!!"

What's the matter?

"What we have here is the fact of the matter."


Aw, never mind.

-G




"John Ward"

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Smile))

What was the matter, anyway, despite the facts, mate? Smile))

JW
"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:11:41 +1000, "John Ward" <jrmward@tpg.com.au>
> brought the following to our attention:
>
>>Hi Quilly,
>>
>> I have no fucking clue either, what this is all
>>about - I was just trying to be kind to Greg... Smile))
>>
>> Any clues? Please fill me in, mate!!!
>>
>>John
>
> Let's do the FDR part them:
>
> "The fact of the matter is, as you and I both
> well know, that this is the fact of the matter!!"
>
> What's the matter?
>
> "What we have here is the fact of the matter."
>
>
> Aw, never mind.
>
> -G
>




"Iain Smith"

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"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Anyway.. isn't what Brittany Whatsherface is wearing today
> more important? Or the shopping news, or the ball scores?
>
No. Sorry to disappoint you Greg but there are some *really* important
issues out there such as climate change and the future of oil supplies. Wink

Iain




Gregory

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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:15:24 -0000, "Iain Smith"
<iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> brought the following:
>
>"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>> Anyway.. isn't what Brittany Whatsherface is wearing today
>> more important? Or the shopping news, or the ball scores?
>>
>No. Sorry to disappoint you Greg but there are some *really* important
>issues out there such as climate change and the future of oil supplies. Wink
>
>Iain

It's my opinion that climate change is a cooked up Earth Charter/Agenda
21 thing harped on by the mass media to better manipulate energy prices.
As for oil supplies, are you referring to actual oil in the ground (NOT
fossil fuel BTW)? or petrol refinement? There's enough oil in Alaska
to provide America with cheap energy for 200 years, only that supply is
capped. The supply of petrol is intentionally kept tight to support high
fuel prices.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Charter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_development


The question is, are these programs benevolent or malevolent?
And who is being sustained? The ruling elite or the masses?


-G




"Iain Smith"

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"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It's my opinion that climate change is a cooked up Earth Charter/Agenda
> 21 thing harped on by the mass media to better manipulate energy prices.

I just knew that you were going to come back with something like that Greg!

> As for oil supplies, are you referring to actual oil in the ground (NOT
> fossil fuel BTW)? or petrol refinement?

Oil in the ground. It's going to run out sometime! Smile

Iain




Gregory

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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:15:00 -0000, "Iain Smith"
<iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> brought the following:
>
>"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>> It's my opinion that climate change is a cooked up Earth Charter/Agenda
>> 21 thing harped on by the mass media to better manipulate energy prices.
>
>I just knew that you were going to come back with something like that Greg!
>
>> As for oil supplies, are you referring to actual oil in the ground (NOT
>> fossil fuel BTW)? or petrol refinement?
>
>Oil in the ground. It's going to run out sometime! Smile
>
>Iain


Well.. in all due respect, check out these videos:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Energy%20Non-Crisis


-G




"Roger (K8RI)"

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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:50:15 -0500, Gregory
<flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:15:00 -0000, "Iain Smith"
><iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> brought the following:
>>
>>"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> It's my opinion that climate change is a cooked up Earth Charter/Agenda
>>> 21 thing harped on by the mass media to better manipulate energy prices.

Global warming would have the opposite effect and cause great distress
among the oil and coal suppliers.

>>
>>I just knew that you were going to come back with something like that Greg!
>>
>>> As for oil supplies, are you referring to actual oil in the ground (NOT
>>> fossil fuel BTW)? or petrol refinement?
>>
>>Oil in the ground. It's going to run out sometime! Smile
>>
>>Iain
>
>
>Well.. in all due respect, check out these videos:
> http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Energy%20Non-Crisis

That view is not shared by the majority of scientists now days.
You also have to remember that over 2/3 of our so called reserves are
not nearly as accessible as the first third. That makes them far more
expensive to get out of the ground.

Us Oil production peaked in the 70's. Arab oil production (depending
on who you talk to) has either just peaked or is peaking which means
it's going to be down hill.

However if you take global warming into the formula the argument above
is backwards. Rather than gaining, the big oil companies only stand
to lose based on a reduction of fossil fuels. That is the reason they
have denied "global Warming" for as long as possible and had spokes
people trying to convince us it's hoax. There is a reason they are in
a hurry to get into alternative energy sources as they can see the
writing on the wall for fossil fuels.

Roger (K8RI)
>
>
> -G



"Nick O'Tyme"

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"Roger (K8RI)" <validaddress@my.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:50:15 -0500, Gregory
> <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 20:15:00 -0000, "Iain Smith"
>><iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> brought the following:
>>>
>>>"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>
>>>> It's my opinion that climate change is a cooked up Earth Charter/Agenda
>>>> 21 thing harped on by the mass media to better manipulate energy
>>>> prices.

snip, snip

> Us Oil production peaked in the 70's. Arab oil production (depending
> on who you talk to) has either just peaked or is peaking which means
> it's going to be down hill.
>
> However if you take global warming into the formula the argument above
> is backwards. Rather than gaining, the big oil companies only stand
> to lose based on a reduction of fossil fuels. That is the reason they
> have denied "global Warming" for as long as possible and had spokes
> people trying to convince us it's hoax. There is a reason they are in
> a hurry to get into alternative energy sources as they can see the
> writing on the wall for fossil fuels.
>
> Roger (K8RI)
>>
>>
>> -G

I look at climate change in the same light as the y2k bug - it may not
happen but there's nothing wrong with making sure it doesn't.

As for oil production, petroleum products are used far more extensively in
non-fuel ways these days. Plastics, fertiliser, cosmetics, even food. Long
before oil runs out it will be far too costly for plebs like us to burn in
vehicles of any kind. Whatever is left will be used for goods production,
not burning as fuel. The sooner we can find alternative power sources the
better.

And most knowledgeable people believe oil production has already peaked. If
you insist I'll provide names but right now I don't have the time to dig
them out.

Just my tuppence worth.

cheers




Gregory

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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:53:46 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" <validaddress@my.com>
brought the following to our attention:

>However if you take global warming into the formula the argument above
>is backwards. Rather than gaining, the big oil companies only stand
>to lose based on a reduction of fossil fuels. That is the reason they
>have denied "global Warming" for as long as possible and had spokes
>people trying to convince us it's hoax. There is a reason they are in
>a hurry to get into alternative energy sources as they can see the
>writing on the wall for fossil fuels.
>
>Roger (K8RI)

And where does the `fossil fuel´ come from? Are you going to say it's
from dead plants and dinosaurs? I've been hearing that oil comes from
deep in the core or the earth, and is renewable. So then the term
`fossil fuel´ is an fundamentally incorrect?

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/oilnotfossilbfuel29sep05.shtml

Now let me reiterate that peak oil is a scam to keep supplies low and
oil prices high.

-G




Gregory

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:14:21 +0900, "Nick O'Tyme"
<nospammellorc@msn.com> brought the following to our attention:

>> However if you take global warming into the formula the argument above
>> is backwards. Rather than gaining, the big oil companies only stand
>> to lose based on a reduction of fossil fuels. That is the reason they
>> have denied "global Warming" for as long as possible and had spokes
>> people trying to convince us it's hoax. There is a reason they are in
>> a hurry to get into alternative energy sources as they can see the
>> writing on the wall for fossil fuels.
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>
>>>
>>> -G
>
>I look at climate change in the same light as the y2k bug - it may not
>happen but there's nothing wrong with making sure it doesn't.
>
>As for oil production, petroleum products are used far more extensively in
>non-fuel ways these days. Plastics, fertiliser, cosmetics, even food. Long
>before oil runs out it will be far too costly for plebs like us to burn in
>vehicles of any kind. Whatever is left will be used for goods production,
>not burning as fuel. The sooner we can find alternative power sources the
>better.

Agree with the products that you mention. Many alternate sources have
already been found, but suppressed and their inventors knocked off!

>And most knowledgeable people believe oil production has already peaked.
>If you insist I'll provide names but right now I don't have the time to dig
>them out.

Production may have peaked.. but what about supplies in the ground?

Here's a search to check out:
http://www.google.com/search?q=fossil+fuel+Abiotic

Are you going to post names of the oil company shills that promulgate
the `shortage?´ Smile)) One is named Hubbert?

-G

>Just my tuppence worth.
>
>cheers
>




Vernon Balbert

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On 11/20/2007 5:31 PM, Gregory went clickity clack on the keyboard and
produced this interesting bit of text:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 19:53:46 -0500, "Roger (K8RI)" <validaddress@my.com>
> brought the following to our attention:
>
>> However if you take global warming into the formula the argument above
>> is backwards. Rather than gaining, the big oil companies only stand
>> to lose based on a reduction of fossil fuels. That is the reason they
>> have denied "global Warming" for as long as possible and had spokes
>> people trying to convince us it's hoax. There is a reason they are in
>> a hurry to get into alternative energy sources as they can see the
>> writing on the wall for fossil fuels.
>>
>> Roger (K8RI)
>
> And where does the `fossil fuel´ come from? Are you going to say it's
> from dead plants and dinosaurs? I've been hearing that oil comes from
> deep in the core or the earth, and is renewable. So then the term
> `fossil fuel´ is an fundamentally incorrect?
>
> http://educate-yourself.org/cn/oilnotfossilbfuel29sep05.shtml
>
> Now let me reiterate that peak oil is a scam to keep supplies low and
> oil prices high.

I just read that article and it offers no proof of the claims it sets
forth. I read that so-and-so said this and so-and-so said that, but I
don't see any scientific evidence to bolster the hypothesis put forth.
If you're going to point to proof, you need more than vague statements
saying Russian scientists say this.

--
Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of
cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom. - Bertrand Russell
(1884-1946)



Gregory

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:30:13 GMT, Vernon Balbert
<vbalbert@gmail.nospam.com> brought the following to our attention:

>I just read that article and it offers no proof of the claims it sets
>forth. I read that so-and-so said this and so-and-so said that, but I
>don't see any scientific evidence to bolster the hypothesis put forth.
>If you're going to point to proof, you need more than vague statements
>saying Russian scientists say this.

Here's a less vague reference:

http://www.gasresources.net/DisposalBioClaims.htm


>--
>Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of
>cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom. - Bertrand Russell
>(1884-1946)

--
"Education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils
have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of
their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their school-
masters would have wished....

"Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early
age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that
the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of
the powers that be will become psychologically impossible."


--Bertrand Russell, The Impact of Science on Society,
Simon and Schuster, New York, 1953, p. 50





"Nick O'Tyme"

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"Gregory" <flightsim.maps@bkwds.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:14:21 +0900, "Nick O'Tyme"
> <nospammellorc@msn.com> brought the following to our attention:
>
>>> However if you take global warming into the formula the argument above
>>> is backwards. Rather than gaining, the big oil companies only stand
>>> to lose based on a reduction of fossil fuels. That is the reason they
>>> have denied "global Warming" for as long as possible and had spokes
>>> people trying to convince us it's hoax. There is a reason they are in
>>> a hurry to get into alternative energy sources as they can see the
>>> writing on the wall for fossil fuels.
>>>
>>> Roger (K8RI)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -G
>>
>>I look at climate change in the same light as the y2k bug - it may not
>>happen but there's nothing wrong with making sure it doesn't.
>>
>>As for oil production, petroleum products are used far more extensively in
>>non-fuel ways these days. Plastics, fertiliser, cosmetics, even food. Long
>>before oil runs out it will be far too costly for plebs like us to burn in
>>vehicles of any kind. Whatever is left will be used for goods production,
>>not burning as fuel. The sooner we can find alternative power sources the
>>better.
>
> Agree with the products that you mention. Many alternate sources have
> already been found, but suppressed and their inventors knocked off!
>
>>And most knowledgeable people believe oil production has already peaked.
>>If you insist I'll provide names but right now I don't have the time to
>>dig
>>them out.
>
> Production may have peaked.. but what about supplies in the ground?
>
> Here's a search to check out:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=fossil+fuel+Abiotic
>
> Are you going to post names of the oil company shills that promulgate
> the `shortage?´ Smile)) One is named Hubbert?
>
> -G
>

Jeremy Leggett, author of Half Gone (titled The Empty Tank in the US)
Prof Ken Deffeyes, Princeton geology professor emeritus, former Shell
geologist and author of two books on peak oil
Dr Colin Campbell, a prominent petroleum geologist
and of course
Dr M King Hubbert

Their views are as equally valid as any of the people you have cited.

The peak of oil discovery was back in 1965. Since then oil discoveries have
been declining. Saudi oilfields (the largest source of oil) are down to
about 50%.

I suppose there is one positive about global warming. It will create the
conditions that will cause the mass oceanic deaths which will lay down the
material to create more crude. You'll just have to wait a couple of hundred
million years.

The warming causes the ice caps to thaw. The thawing causes ocean currents
(eg the Gulf stream) to stop flowing. This causes the oceans to stagnate,
killing all life in them. The remains settle on the ocean floor where they
are covered in silt and eventually the pressure is enough to gradually cause
the breakdown into crude oil.

If crude oil, coal and natural gas are not fossil fuels, where do the raw
materials come from to create them?

My two bobs worth.

Oh, and I've spent 32 years in the oils industry but I'm not a 'shill'. I
just don't believe the people you seem to.

>>Just my tuppence worth.
>>
>>cheers
>>
>




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Re: OT, OT: raid in Indiana [In reply to Gregory] Not logged in -   Reply 

Gregory wrote:
> Was about to post the following OT on Saturday but held back.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Liberty+Dollar+raid
>
> Did this event show up in the UK? Was it on mainstream news?
> Also held commentary rant and FRD impersonation in check.
>
> -G
>
In Berlin (GER) I read a brief article in my newspaper a couple of
days ago.
--
Regards
Axel



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