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Ted

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Nov 12, 2007, 12:48 PM

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I found a copy of FS 2002 in a store for ten bucks so thought I'd give
it a try. I really like the "new" features (its been a while) but
cannot capture and lock onto the localizer in an ILS apporach. I think
I am doing everything right like switching off the GPS, insuring the
ILS freq is on Nav 1, and insuring the Approach button is on and
Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Ted




Thomas Suchan

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Ted schrieb:

[ILS]
> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Hi Ted,

sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will not snap
onto the glide path when approaching from above.

Recommended link: http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm (describes all)

BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot, and I had
to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink

Thomas.
@EDDV



robert

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Nov 12, 2007, 3:25 PM

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Leave the Altitude hold on. When locked on it will turn off .




Thomas Suchan wrote:
> Ted schrieb:
>
> [ILS]
>
>> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
>> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will
> not snap onto the glide path when approaching from above.
>
> Recommended link: http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm (describes all)
>
> BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot,
> and I had to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink
>
> Thomas.
> @EDDV



"Oskar Wagner"

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Nov 12, 2007, 3:54 PM

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Funny, how long a wrong information can persist Smile) Who told you that G/S
capture will not occur from above? That's simply not true. Just make sure
that no level-off occurs before you capture the G/S. That of course will
prevent the G/S from being captured. Eveything else will not. So please
let's get rid of that fairy tale and start capturing the G/P also from above
Smile)

Reading the original post I presume we're not talking about the same
subject. Obviously he is talking about the flight path markers. This has no
direct relationship to a ILS capture. Ok, it depicts the path visually but
to lock on to an ILS it needs a proper setup and A/P or F/D switching.
--
Oskar
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Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...

"Thomas Suchan" <validemailbutidontreadit@yahoo.de> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Ted schrieb:
>
> [ILS]
>> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
>> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will not
> snap onto the glide path when approaching from above.
>
> Recommended link: http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm (describes all)
>
> BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot, and
> I had to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink
>
> Thomas.
> @EDDV




David

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"Oskar Wagner"

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Hmm, sounds strange to me as I never encountered problem with ILS capture.
Just to make sure: you are within G/S range (aprox. 21 MN) and you have
armed APPR (not NAV)? Btw, some more details yould be helpful, such as:
which A/C, which Aiport/RWY, which capturing distance/cofiguration......
--
Oskar
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Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...

"David" <d@dsportal.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> robert <ramcan@shaw.ca> wrote in news:IE2_i.204537$1y4.104260@pd7urf2no:
>
>>
>> Leave the Altitude hold on. When locked on it will turn off .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thomas Suchan wrote:
>>> Ted schrieb:
>>>
>>> [ILS]
>>>
>>>> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
>>>> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ted,
>>>
>>> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will
>>> not snap onto the glide path when approaching from above.
>>>
>>> Recommended link: http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm (describes all)
>>>
>>> BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot,
>>> and I had to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink
>>>
>>> Thomas.
>>> @EDDV
>
> It's strange, sometimes the altitude lock never goes off as i pass the
> glide
> slope path (indicator drops below aquasition point). I wonder why...
> sometimes I think I may be flying too fast. I just don't know. To me, it
> just
> seems hit or miss.
>




Ted

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Nov 13, 2007, 1:05 AM

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On Nov 12, 2:36 pm, "Oskar Wagner" <ren...@swissonline.ch> wrote:
> Hmm, sounds strange to me as I never encountered problem with ILS capture.
> Just to make sure: you are within G/S range (aprox. 21 MN) and you have
> armed APPR (not NAV)? Btw, some more details yould be helpful, such as:
> which A/C, which Aiport/RWY, which capturing distance/cofiguration......
> --
> Oskar
> - - - - -
> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
>
> "David" <d...@dsportal.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:Xns99E6A7151DFECDPortal@216.196.97.131...
>
>
>
> > robert <ram...@shaw.ca> wrote innews:IE2_i.204537$1y4.104260@pd7urf2no:
>
> >> Leave the Altitude hold on. When locked on it will turn off .
>
> >> Thomas Suchan wrote:
> >>> Ted schrieb:
>
> >>> [ILS]
>
> >>>> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
> >>>> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
> >>> Hi Ted,
>
> >>> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will
> >>> not snap onto the glide path when approaching from above.
>
> >>> Recommended link:http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm(describes all)
>
> >>> BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot,
> >>> and I had to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink
>
> >>> Thomas.
> >>> @EDDV
>
> > It's strange, sometimes the altitude lock never goes off as i pass the
> > glide
> > slope path (indicator drops below aquasition point). I wonder why...
> > sometimes I think I may be flying too fast. I just don't know. To me, it
> > just
> > seems hit or miss.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

OK, thtanks for all the advice but still am having problems. The
latest was an appraoch to Heathrow rwy 9R. Bird is a 747. Everything
is go, Nav tells me that the localizer is locked, approoach is on,
speed is fine, am coming in under the GS, no capture???? This is
driving me nutz.




"Oskar Wagner"

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Well Ted, this is really strange! I've never encountered a similar problem.
What is it? FS9 or FSX? Stock or Add-on B747? Maybe I will be able to
reproduce the problem with all pertinent information.
--
Oskar
- - - - -
Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...

"Ted" <tkennedy63@msn.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> On Nov 12, 2:36 pm, "Oskar Wagner" <ren...@swissonline.ch> wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds strange to me as I never encountered problem with ILS
>> capture.
>> Just to make sure: you are within G/S range (aprox. 21 MN) and you have
>> armed APPR (not NAV)? Btw, some more details yould be helpful, such as:
>> which A/C, which Aiport/RWY, which capturing distance/cofiguration......
>> --
>> Oskar
>> - - - - -
>> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
>>
>> "David" <d...@dsportal.com> schrieb im
>> Newsbeitragnews:Xns99E6A7151DFECDPortal@216.196.97.131...
>>
>>
>>
>> > robert <ram...@shaw.ca> wrote innews:IE2_i.204537$1y4.104260@pd7urf2no:
>>
>> >> Leave the Altitude hold on. When locked on it will turn off .
>>
>> >> Thomas Suchan wrote:
>> >>> Ted schrieb:
>>
>> >>> [ILS]
>>
>> >>>> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
>> >>>> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>
>> >>> Hi Ted,
>>
>> >>> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will
>> >>> not snap onto the glide path when approaching from above.
>>
>> >>> Recommended link:http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm(describes all)
>>
>> >>> BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot,
>> >>> and I had to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink
>>
>> >>> Thomas.
>> >>> @EDDV
>>
>> > It's strange, sometimes the altitude lock never goes off as i pass the
>> > glide
>> > slope path (indicator drops below aquasition point). I wonder why...
>> > sometimes I think I may be flying too fast. I just don't know. To me,
>> > it
>> > just
>> > seems hit or miss.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> OK, thtanks for all the advice but still am having problems. The
> latest was an appraoch to Heathrow rwy 9R. Bird is a 747. Everything
> is go, Nav tells me that the localizer is locked, approoach is on,
> speed is fine, am coming in under the GS, no capture???? This is
> driving me nutz.
>




"Jan Bijsterbosch"

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Hello Ted,

"Ted" <tkennedy63@msn.com> schreef in bericht
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>I found a copy of FS 2002 in a store for ten bucks so thought I'd give
> it a try. I really like the "new" features (its been a while) but
> cannot capture and lock onto the localizer in an ILS apporach. I think
> I am doing everything right like switching off the GPS, insuring the
> ILS freq is on Nav 1, and insuring the Approach button is on and
> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Hmm, there is a bug in FS2004 where the glide path is ignored when you catch
the localiser before the glide path is received. I can't remember if that
was the same case in FS2002. Anyway, the tell tale signs are as follows.
The ATC has brought you up to an 30 degree intercept of the ILS localiser,
in the AP the buttons HDG, APR, ATT and ALT are on and in the HSI you see
the offset runway and a bug for the glide path in the middle of the VSI
indication. Now two things can happen, either the glide path bug suddenly
jumps up, indicating you're under the glide path, and the the localiser is
caught after that, the HDG button goes off and the plane turns to the
runway, or you catch the localiser but the glide path bug is in the middle
still e.g. the glide path isn't received yet. In this last case even if the
glide path is caught later on, the aircraft will not follow it, e.g. the ALT
button will never switch off. The workaround in this case is to switch off
the APR button when the aircraft is lined up with the runway heading and
switch it on again after the glide path beam is received. Note however, that
all this is certainly true for FS2004, in FS2002 however I can only remember
that the ATC vectored you quite close to the approach and that making less
steep turns when the ATC lines you up to that 30 degree ILS intercept gave
you more time on approach.

Hope this is of some help at least...Wink)

> Ted

Greetings from overcast Amsterdam,

Jan




"Iain Smith"

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"Jan Bijsterbosch" <j.bijsterblockit@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
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> Hmm, there is a bug in FS2004 where the glide path is ignored when you
> catch the localiser before the glide path is received.

Really? I usually catch the localiser before receiving the glide slope in
FS2004.

Iain




"Oskar Wagner"

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Yeah, that's true. I forgot about that glitch in FS9. Unfortunately also
when out G/S range (usually around 21 NM) the G/S indication in the A/C is
centered instead of removed. My guess ist that his (false) signal leads to
the misbehaviour of the APPR sequence. However it can easily be overcome by
arming the NAV to follow the LOC as long as the G/S is not yet alive.
Whenever it becomes alive just switch to APPR. To be honest I don't know
whether this was the same in FS8 but I strongly think that there's not much
change in that part of the code....
--
Oskar
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Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...

"Iain Smith" <iainsmithdotrugbyatbtinternetdotcom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> "Jan Bijsterbosch" <j.bijsterblockit@hccnet.nl> wrote in message
> news:47396437$0$740$3a628fcd@textreader.nntp.hccnet.nl...
>> Hmm, there is a bug in FS2004 where the glide path is ignored when you
>> catch the localiser before the glide path is received.
>
> Really? I usually catch the localiser before receiving the glide slope in
> FS2004.
>
> Iain
>




"Roger Tango"

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"Ted" <tkennedy63@msn.com> wrote in message
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>I found a copy of FS 2002 in a store for ten bucks so thought I'd give
> it a try. I really like the "new" features (its been a while) but
> cannot capture and lock onto the localizer in an ILS apporach. I think
> I am doing everything right like switching off the GPS, insuring the
> ILS freq is on Nav 1, and insuring the Approach button is on and
> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
> Ted
>

Make sure your runway has a glideslope. Some runways only have a localizer.
I found that out the hard way! I don't know of any way of figuring this out
from FS, and you can't trust approach plates unless you can get them for the
2002 era.




"Not4wood"

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I just thought of something. You said your at Heathrow right? Are you
using the default scenery or an add-on??
Sometimes you need another Afcad file for it. I will list an example:
I just downloaded the LGA scenery and its truly a great piece of work. I
started to use it without any problems, except when coming in on approach
for Runway 4, everytime I would catch the Glide Slope, I would turn out at
an odd angle. (It came with an Afcad file to make all runways active) I
started to look for another Afcad file and after working about 3 others I
finally found one that works. Seems the new scenery had a problem with the
signal and needed an afcad file to straighten out the approach and also to
make all runways active. BTW, this was in FS9.

At first I thought it was me, then the plane, then the panel and I had to
check out the gauges in case I had something wrong. Turns out it was the
Afcad file.

Not4wood



"Ted" <tkennedy63@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 12, 2:36 pm, "Oskar Wagner" <ren...@swissonline.ch> wrote:
>> Hmm, sounds strange to me as I never encountered problem with ILS
>> capture.
>> Just to make sure: you are within G/S range (aprox. 21 MN) and you have
>> armed APPR (not NAV)? Btw, some more details yould be helpful, such as:
>> which A/C, which Aiport/RWY, which capturing distance/cofiguration......
>> --
>> Oskar
>> - - - - -
>> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes...
>>
>> "David" <d...@dsportal.com> schrieb im
>> Newsbeitragnews:Xns99E6A7151DFECDPortal@216.196.97.131...
>>
>>
>>
>> > robert <ram...@shaw.ca> wrote innews:IE2_i.204537$1y4.104260@pd7urf2no:
>>
>> >> Leave the Altitude hold on. When locked on it will turn off .
>>
>> >> Thomas Suchan wrote:
>> >>> Ted schrieb:
>>
>> >>> [ILS]
>>
>> >>>> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
>> >>>> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>
>> >>> Hi Ted,
>>
>> >>> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will
>> >>> not snap onto the glide path when approaching from above.
>>
>> >>> Recommended link:http://www.navfltsm.addr.com/ils.htm(describes all)
>>
>> >>> BTW: when I learned Flight Simmin on the C64, there was no autopilot,
>> >>> and I had to fly the ILS by hand. Quite challenging Wink
>>
>> >>> Thomas.
>> >>> @EDDV
>>
>> > It's strange, sometimes the altitude lock never goes off as i pass the
>> > glide
>> > slope path (indicator drops below aquasition point). I wonder why...
>> > sometimes I think I may be flying too fast. I just don't know. To me,
>> > it
>> > just
>> > seems hit or miss.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> OK, thtanks for all the advice but still am having problems. The
> latest was an appraoch to Heathrow rwy 9R. Bird is a 747. Everything
> is go, Nav tells me that the localizer is locked, approoach is on,
> speed is fine, am coming in under the GS, no capture???? This is
> driving me nutz.
>




Mxsmanic

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Ted writes:

> I found a copy of FS 2002 in a store for ten bucks so thought I'd give
> it a try. I really like the "new" features (its been a while) but
> cannot capture and lock onto the localizer in an ILS apporach. I think
> I am doing everything right like switching off the GPS, insuring the
> ILS freq is on Nav 1, and insuring the Approach button is on and
> Altitude hold is off. I fly directly into the path of the rectangles
> and cannot get a lock at all. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Which aircraft? Do you hear the correct ID of the ILS when you turn on the
marker switch on the radio? Do your instruments show that you are indeed
receiving the localizer?



Mxsmanic

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Thomas Suchan writes:

> sure you're approaching from below the glide path? The autopilot will not snap
> onto the glide path when approaching from above.

Depends on the aircraft, although that's the general rule.



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