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"John"

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Nov 23, 2007, 9:47 PM

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When running the F-16 in Acceleration and doing some fast turns, the whole
screen fades to black or red. I can avoid it by making the turns
slower--you can see the improvement instantly.

My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough: One eVGA
8800 GTS 320MB. (Rest of system--Asus M2N32 SLI Premium Vista, AMD 5200+ X2,
4GB Memory, Two Monitors.

Another problem with Acceleration: Some aircraft, not all Acceleration
ones, seem to lose their drag and accelerate, not slow down, even when
climbing. I cut the power twenty miles out and the F16 is Overspeed by the
time I get to the airport. The Airbus and the Learjet do the same thing.
It's probably nothing I can fix. Anyone else get this?

John





"ManhattanMan"

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Nov 23, 2007, 10:06 PM

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John wrote:

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> My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough:


Anyone want to touch this? Smile




"Jay Williams"

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Nov 23, 2007, 10:34 PM

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I bet that if you make a maximum rate break turn, at 460 kts or so, that
your screen will go solid black and you (not your computer) will crash if
you continue to hold the G's (may require you to go to afterburner as your
airspeed bleeds off).

Likewise, put the Viper in a steep climb, then push hard forward on teh
stick. Keep pushing. The screen will go red.

It's not a memory problem, it's a hydraulic problem. Specifically blood flow
and gravity. As you pull positive G's (pull back on the stick, even in a
turn) you're body weight effectively increases, at the Viper's maximum of 9
G's, you feel like you weigh 9x's your actual weight. This pulls your blood
downward to your legs and abdomen (where you don't need it) and starves your
brain. Your hydraulic pump (heart) can't beat hard enough to fight the
higher gravity. So, you need to help it out a bit. A "G" suit (worn by
real fighter pilots) would inflate with air and squeeze blood back from your
legs and abdomen into your chest and head (where it would do some good). A
"hook" manuever (straining and flexing muscles) would be something you would
perform that would help as well, but nobody can defend against really sudden
unprepared G or sustained G. The "grey - out" you're describing is that
phenomenon. In real life, you lose the ability to distinquish color,
develop tunnel vision, and then go "nighty-night" until the G's are relaxed
and blood returns to your brain. There are several good UTube videos of TV
reporters getting VIP rides with the Blue Angels that show this experience.

The opposite effect - pushing negative G (push forward on the stick) is
called "red-out". It is the effect of vessels bursting within your eyes as
a result of blood rushing too fast to your head. I would guess that red-out
would be somewhat longer lasting. (As a kid I suffered an injury to my eye
in a soccer game and had blood pool in the between the cornea and retina.
My vision didn't get red, it actually went kinda green, but there ya go.)

BTW, most people can tolerate far fewer negative G's then positive ones, and
the more positive ones you endure in a flight, the harder it is to fight
against them.

Also, you may have noticed that your seat in the Viper is canted backward
several degrees... sort of like being in a sports car and tilting your seat
back to give you the "gangster lean". This helps you fight the G forces.

So, your computer's memory (including video card) is probably just find.
You're avatar's memory vault (brain) simply doesn't work so well without
blood flow, a natural result of pulling "G's too many, too fast, or too
frequently.

"ManhattanMan" <umama@binlaidon.com> wrote in message
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> John wrote:
>
>>
>> My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough:
>
>
> Anyone want to touch this? Smile
>




"MikeWhy"

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Nov 24, 2007, 12:02 AM

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"John" <John@UseGroupOnly.com> wrote in message
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> When running the F-16 in Acceleration and doing some fast turns, the whole
> screen fades to black or red. I can avoid it by making the turns
> slower--you can see the improvement instantly.

Almost certainly they're simulating GLOC and red-out from too many G's. The
black out would be from too many positive G's. You need to grunt harder to
keep the blood in your head. Try a few ace bandages around the abdomen and
upper legs. Negative G's would be causing the red. That would be the
capillaries in your eyes bursting from the excess blood.

>
> My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough: One eVGA

I'm guessing it's not a system problem at all.





Mxsmanic

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Nov 24, 2007, 3:47 AM

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John writes:

> When running the F-16 in Acceleration and doing some fast turns, the whole
> screen fades to black or red. I can avoid it by making the turns
> slower--you can see the improvement instantly.

This is normal. MSFS simulates G-LOC (acceleration-caused loss of
consciousness). If you take a turn too sharply or otherwise experience
positive or negative Gs, you may experience a blackout (screen fading to
black), or a redout (screen fading to red), respectively.

> My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough: One eVGA
> 8800 GTS 320MB. (Rest of system--Asus M2N32 SLI Premium Vista, AMD 5200+ X2,
> 4GB Memory, Two Monitors.

Nope, it's normal.

> Another problem with Acceleration: Some aircraft, not all Acceleration
> ones, seem to lose their drag and accelerate, not slow down, even when
> climbing. I cut the power twenty miles out and the F16 is Overspeed by the
> time I get to the airport. The Airbus and the Learjet do the same thing.
> It's probably nothing I can fix. Anyone else get this?

Some aircraft can accelerate even in a climb, especially a gentle climb.



"MikeW"

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Nov 24, 2007, 7:50 AM

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John wrote:
> When running the F-16 in Acceleration and doing some fast turns, the
> whole screen fades to black or red. I can avoid it by making the
> turns slower--you can see the improvement instantly.
>

Bearing in mind what others have said; if you don't like, or want, your
screen to fade to black or red go to Settings>Realism> and uncheck
G-effects. That's for FS9, FSX will be similar, but I cant be bothered
to confirm it at this time. Smile
--
MikeW
The difference between flight attendants and jet engines, is that the
engine usually quits whining when it gets to the gate!




Arthur Buse

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Nov 24, 2007, 9:05 AM

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MikeW wrote:

> John wrote:
>> When running the F-16 in Acceleration and doing some fast turns, the
>> whole screen fades to black or red. I can avoid it by making the
>> turns slower--you can see the improvement instantly.
>>
>
> Bearing in mind what others have said; if you don't like, or want, your
> screen to fade to black or red go to Settings>Realism> and uncheck
> G-effects. That's for FS9, FSX will be similar, but I cant be bothered
> to confirm it at this time. Smile

In FSX, Aircraft > Realism settings > Special effects > G-effects

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A.B.




Flagstaff Frank

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Nov 24, 2007, 12:31 PM

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ManhattanMan wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough:
>
>
> Anyone want to touch this? Smile
>
>

Not even with latex surgical gloves on.



"Vic Baron"

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Nov 24, 2007, 1:02 PM

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"John" <John@UseGroupOnly.com> wrote in message
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> When running the F-16 in Acceleration and doing some fast turns, the whole
> screen fades to black or red. I can avoid it by making the turns
> slower--you can see the improvement instantly.

Do you mean the F/A 18? I'm not aware of a Viper in Acceleration.

Vic




"SteveH"

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Nov 25, 2007, 6:14 AM

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ManhattanMan wrote:
> John wrote:
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>>
>> My guess is that my member on my video card is not large enough:
>
>
> Anyone want to touch this? Smile

Must be some new form of passive cooling.
Mind you, you do think there would be some usb gadget or the other for such
things by now, wouldn't you?
Smile
SteveH




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