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"PPS"

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Oct 21, 2006, 7:37 PM

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I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a quote
from him about the Airbuses....

" They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to fly.
They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot and
make him mediocre too."

I've been in tears laughing so hard!




"SnakeEyes"

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Oct 21, 2006, 7:59 PM

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PPS wrote:
> I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
> airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a quote
> from him about the Airbuses....
>
> " They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to fly.
> They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot and
> make him mediocre too."
>
> I've been in tears laughing so hard!

You'll be in more tears when Oskar Wagner gets a hold of you : )

SnakeEyes




Mxsmanic

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Oct 21, 2006, 7:59 PM

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PPS writes:

> I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
> airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a quote
> from him about the Airbuses....
>
> " They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to fly.
> They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot and
> make him mediocre too."

It's not funny when they crash.

I see his point. Increasing automation allows increasingly
incompetent pilots to fly jet airliners. Airbus gadgets that think
for the pilot and prevent him from being killed by his own stupidity
are in this category. The problem arises when the automation fails.

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"PPS"

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Oct 21, 2006, 8:01 PM

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The good news is, he found out how to turn everything off so it acts like a
Boeing Smile


"SnakeEyes" <agalspector@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> PPS wrote:
>> I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
>> airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a
>> quote
>> from him about the Airbuses....
>>
>> " They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to
>> fly.
>> They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot
>> and
>> make him mediocre too."
>>
>> I've been in tears laughing so hard!
>
> You'll be in more tears when Oskar Wagner gets a hold of you : )
>
> SnakeEyes
>




"vbcv"

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 12:17 AM

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What did you really expect to start?

Another flame war? I've never seen a more outright Troll in all my 16 years
on the internet.

No wonder, many are dumping Usenet now, with twats like you stirring up
shit.

TROLL










"PPS"

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Oct 22, 2006, 12:48 AM

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16 years? Ya need to get out more then, it's just a diversion from the
incessant FSX bashing, lighten up


"vbcv" <vcbcv@zxcvzcxv.com> wrote in message
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> What did you really expect to start?
>
> Another flame war? I've never seen a more outright Troll in all my 16
> years on the internet.
>
> No wonder, many are dumping Usenet now, with twats like you stirring up
> shit.
>
> TROLL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




"Simon"

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Oct 22, 2006, 12:48 AM

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> The good news is, he found out how to turn everything off so it acts like
> a Boeing Smile
>

An airbus Pilot would never say that. They are professionals, not stupid.
You are lying, and a TROLL.

Simon
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"PPS"

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Oct 22, 2006, 12:51 AM

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He's a Boeing pilot training for Airbus, and calling someone a liar without
knowing the facts is pretty stupid isn't it? I could ask him to post here
himself, but he's kinda busy for the next few weeks.


"Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
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>> The good news is, he found out how to turn everything off so it acts like
>> a Boeing Smile
>>
>
> An airbus Pilot would never say that. They are professionals, not stupid.
> You are lying, and a TROLL.
>
> Simon
> --
> http://urlkick.com/
>
>




"Simon"

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Oct 22, 2006, 12:57 AM

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> He's a Boeing pilot training for Airbus, and calling someone a liar
> without knowing the facts is pretty stupid isn't it? I could ask him to
> post here himself, but he's kinda busy for the next few weeks.
>


A Boeing pilot training for the new Airbus, really?
What airline? I can check quickly as there are not too many of them, (Boeing
pilots from certain airlines).

Simon
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"vbcv"

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Oct 22, 2006, 1:00 AM

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Would you feel better if I took time out of my hobby, to take stabs at the
US? Just to start something?

Who do you think you are, that is so bored with life, that you can take a
stab, on a global newsgroup, to people who are going to take offence, whom
are probably your allies in times of crisis?

You set out what you intended to do, you started something.

Do you feel better now?




"vbcv"

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Oct 22, 2006, 1:06 AM

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I could ask him to post here
> himself, but he's kinda busy for the next few weeks.

How convenient.

TROLL!!!!!!!




"Iain Smith"

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Oct 22, 2006, 8:06 AM

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"PPS" <pps@none.net> wrote in message
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> The good news is, he found out how to turn everything off so it acts like
> a Boeing Smile

That's ok. We'll await the 787 with interest. With so many components made
in Russia that could be interesting. Smile

Iain




"Oskar Wagner"

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Oct 22, 2006, 8:20 AM

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Well, as ever I will stay out of this kind of flaming war. Just one thing to
your friend: if that is the way he is thinking about Airbus then he better
thinks about the fact that in two out of three fatal crashes ex-Boeing
pilots were invoved. Either he learns everything about the Airbus and
forgets everything about Boeing or he stays well clear of the A/C. This is
not the attitude a professional should have against a new A/C that he is
transitioning to.

Over and out.
--
Oskar Wagner
(retired Captain)

Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes....

"PPS" <pps@none.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:bZmdnesg04QjKafYnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
> The good news is, he found out how to turn everything off so it acts like
> a Boeing Smile
>
>
> "SnakeEyes" <agalspector@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161475133.243739.288270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> PPS wrote:
>>> I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
>>> airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a
>>> quote
>>> from him about the Airbuses....
>>>
>>> " They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to
>>> fly.
>>> They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot
>>> and
>>> make him mediocre too."
>>>
>>> I've been in tears laughing so hard!
>>
>> You'll be in more tears when Oskar Wagner gets a hold of you : )
>>
>> SnakeEyes
>>
>
>




Mxsmanic

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 9:24 AM

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Oskar Wagner writes:

> Well, as ever I will stay out of this kind of flaming war. Just one thing to
> your friend: if that is the way he is thinking about Airbus then he better
> thinks about the fact that in two out of three fatal crashes ex-Boeing
> pilots were invoved.

Any pilot with enough experience is likely to be an ex-Boeing pilot.

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Jim Barrett

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 9:35 AM

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"vbcv" <vcbcv@zxcvzcxv.com> wrote in
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> Would you feel better if I took time out of my hobby, to take stabs at
> the US? Just to start something?
>
> Who do you think you are, that is so bored with life, that you can
> take a stab, on a global newsgroup, to people who are going to take
> offence, whom are probably your allies in times of crisis?
>
> You set out what you intended to do, you started something.
>
> Do you feel better now?
>
>
>

Good Lord man, you certainly seem to have a thin skin.

I have worked professionally in aviation maintenance for most of my adult
life, and I can assure you that this sort of good-natured ribbing goes on
all the time between the people who fly/maintain "competeing" models of
aircraft. Boeing pilots make wisecracks about those who fly Airbuses, and
vice-versa. Learjet folks joke about Citations... Gulfstream crews joke
about Challengers etc.

It's no different than the kind of remarks residents of two different
cities might make about each other's sports teams.

Nobody in the professional aviation world takes offense... you're making a
big issue out of nothing. As someone else said.. "Lighten up".

Jim Barrett


Mxsmanic

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 9:42 AM

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Jim Barrett writes:

> Good Lord man, you certainly seem to have a thin skin.

Unlike Boeing, Airbus is primarily a political organization, with a
very thin skin indeed and a lot of national pride riding upon it.

> Nobody in the professional aviation world takes offense ...

The basic problem with Airbus is that almost nobody involved with it
has anything to do with (or even an interest in) professional
aviation.

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Gregory

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 9:52 AM

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On 21 Oct 2006 16:58:53 -0700, "SnakeEyes" <agalspector@hotmail.com>
brought the following to our attention:
>
>PPS wrote:
>> I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
>> airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a quote
>> from him about the Airbuses....
>>
>> "They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to fly.
>> They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot
>> and make him mediocre too."
>>
>> I've been in tears laughing so hard!
>
>You'll be in more tears when Oskar Wagner gets a hold of you : )
>
>SnakeEyes

It would seem PPS's friend doesn't really want to be schooled in Airbus
Fly-by-wire operations. 30 years is a long time and many become set in
their ways. But who wouldn't want to learn about new A/C technology?
maybe an old flyer (old-timer?) :->

You might want to search around the web for these docs if interested:

Airbus A318/A319/A320/A321 FCOM - SD - 1 16.9MB 921 pgs.
Airbus FOS & LA - getting to grips with Fuel Economy 2.3MB 83 pgs.


Here's a sample from doc #1 above.. Flight Crew Op Manual - Sys Desc

http://home.comcast.net/~flightsim/Airbus_basic_principle.gif


Ok you guys.. now go and study!! and get a load of those Airbus graphs.


-Gregory




Gregory

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 10:02 AM

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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:18:11 +0100, "vbcv" <vcbcv@zxcvzcxv.com> brought
the following to our attention:

>What did you really expect to start?
>
>Another flame war?

No No.. start with some PowerPoint slide presentations!! Smile


>I've never seen a more outright Troll in all my 16 years on the internet.

Must be a buddy of Al Gore then.


>No wonder, many are dumping Usenet now, with twats like you..

Dumping Usenet? You better quit downloading those girlie-pics.


-G

>TROLL
>



Gregory

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Oct 22, 2006, 10:32 AM

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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:35:55 GMT, Jim Barrett <embedded@pitchmark.org>
brought the following to our attention:

>"vbcv" <vcbcv@zxcvzcxv.com> wrote in
>
>> Would you feel better if I took time out of my hobby, to take stabs at
>> the US? Just to start something?
>>
>> Who do you think you are, that is so bored with life, that you can
>> take a stab, on a global newsgroup, to people who are going to take
>> offence, whom are probably your allies in times of crisis?
>>
>> You set out what you intended to do, you started something.
>>
>> Do you feel better now?
>>
>>
>>
>
>Good Lord man, you certainly seem to have a thin skin.
>
>I have worked professionally in aviation maintenance for most of my adult
>life, and I can assure you that this sort of good-natured ribbing goes on
>all the time between the people who fly/maintain "competeing" models of
>aircraft. Boeing pilots make wisecracks about those who fly Airbuses, and
>vice-versa. Learjet folks joke about Citations... Gulfstream crews joke
>about Challengers etc.


Yep.. and Illinois people refer to Wisconsin folk as `cheese heads´
whereas Chi-cAh-go is known for it CRIME, vise-versa!!


No really.. a US crew responds thusly:

Appro Ctrl: "report the Airbus in sight.."

Boeing Crew: "yeah - we got `the bus´.."


he he he.. we were all chuckling, Approach, the flight deck, and the
AIR-band listener.

-G

>It's no different than the kind of remarks residents of two different
>cities might make about each other's sports teams.
>
>Nobody in the professional aviation world takes offense... you're making a
>big issue out of nothing. As someone else said.. "Lighten up".
>
>Jim Barrett




Mxsmanic

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 10:39 AM

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Gregory writes:

> But who wouldn't want to learn about new A/C technology?

Anyone who is passionate about flying, if the new technology amounts
to more automation and less pilot control.

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"Quilljar"

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Oct 22, 2006, 10:47 AM

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Ah! that explains everything. Boeing people, and most Americans, I have
found, are very jealous of the Airbus, and rightly so. I have flown on both
and I certainly prefer the European variety, but I am not in the least
prejudiced of course... LOL
--
Quilljar

Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant,
if not utterly impossible Simon Newcomb US Astronomer 1902




Gregory

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On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 16:39:51 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com>
brought the following to our attention:

>Gregory writes:
>
>> But who wouldn't want to learn about new A/C technology?
>
>Anyone who is passionate about flying, if the new technology amounts
>to more automation and less pilot control.


Yeah, well you might want to have a look through this excellent doc..

http://home.comcast.net/~flightsim/Airbus_getting-to-grips.gif


Anyone from the college student to the retired fighter-jock would find
it interesting.. am sure of that.

-G




"PPS"

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Oct 22, 2006, 12:00 PM

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Someone 'gets it'! Smile

"Jim Barrett" <embedded@pitchmark.org> wrote in message
news:Xns98646198372D303160612@24.24.2.167...
>
> Good Lord man, you certainly seem to have a thin skin.
>
> I have worked professionally in aviation maintenance for most of my adult
> life, and I can assure you that this sort of good-natured ribbing goes on
> all the time between the people who fly/maintain "competeing" models of
> aircraft. Boeing pilots make wisecracks about those who fly Airbuses, and
> vice-versa. Learjet folks joke about Citations... Gulfstream crews joke
> about Challengers etc.
>
> It's no different than the kind of remarks residents of two different
> cities might make about each other's sports teams.
>
> Nobody in the professional aviation world takes offense... you're making a
> big issue out of nothing. As someone else said.. "Lighten up".
>
> Jim Barrett




"PPS"

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pps@none.net
Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 12:02 PM

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Oskar, it's an opinion, not an attitude. He know's the 'bus' inside and out,
but he also knows it's limits and differences from Boeing. Just having a
little fun here cause this FSX thing is already getting old. Smile


"Oskar Wagner" <rengaw@swissonline.ch> wrote in message
news:3cad3$453b6225$544a6ba3$32493@news.hispeed.ch...
> Well, as ever I will stay out of this kind of flaming war. Just one thing
> to your friend: if that is the way he is thinking about Airbus then he
> better thinks about the fact that in two out of three fatal crashes
> ex-Boeing pilots were invoved. Either he learns everything about the
> Airbus and forgets everything about Boeing or he stays well clear of the
> A/C. This is not the attitude a professional should have against a new A/C
> that he is transitioning to.
>
> Over and out.
> --
> Oskar Wagner
> (retired Captain)
>
> Remember, in the great scheme of things, we're all small potatoes....
>
> "PPS" <pps@none.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:bZmdnesg04QjKafYnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>> The good news is, he found out how to turn everything off so it acts like
>> a Boeing Smile
>>
>>
>> "SnakeEyes" <agalspector@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161475133.243739.288270@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> PPS wrote:
>>>> I have a friend going through school for the A320 now. He's a 30 year
>>>> airline check pilot so he knows what he's talking about and here's a
>>>> quote
>>>> from him about the Airbuses....
>>>>
>>>> " They are 3rd world planes designed for pilots who don't know how to
>>>> fly.
>>>> They make a bad pilot and make him look mediocre and take a good pilot
>>>> and
>>>> make him mediocre too."
>>>>
>>>> I've been in tears laughing so hard!
>>>
>>> You'll be in more tears when Oskar Wagner gets a hold of you : )
>>>
>>> SnakeEyes
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




"PPS"

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Posted on:
Oct 22, 2006, 12:09 PM

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Simon, slow down a notch and read what I wrote, I didn't say NEW Airbus, I
said 320, and he flies for USAir if that helps ya any.


"Simon" <spambucket@example.com> wrote in message
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>> He's a Boeing pilot training for Airbus, and calling someone a liar
>> without knowing the facts is pretty stupid isn't it? I could ask him to
>> post here himself, but he's kinda busy for the next few weeks.
>>
>
>
> A Boeing pilot training for the new Airbus, really?
> What airline? I can check quickly as there are not too many of them,
> (Boeing pilots from certain airlines).
>
> Simon
> --
> http://urlkick.com/
>
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