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Ron

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Nov 28, 2007, 7:16 PM

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I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they have
in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and then
forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would be
ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
online, a link would be great.
Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com



"seeker"

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Nov 28, 2007, 7:28 PM

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I don't think you need worry too much as:

All the help files are web pages, intended to be read from inside the game's
interface, but accessible with an ordinary browser once you know where to
look.

There's a very good "flight school" section to the game which'll get him up
and running with a virtual instructor and teach him the basics of both
flight and navigation.

The game also includes structured missions which are a lot of fun and a
nicely balanced learning tool.

Flying it's self is easier than most people realize, it's navigation that's
hard; and I'm not too sure that a 9 year old would be interested in
instrument approaches for long anyway.

Seeker

"Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
>I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
>have
> in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and
> then
> forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
> instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would
> be
> ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
> online, a link would be great.
> Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com




"antioch"

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Posted on:
Nov 28, 2007, 8:32 PM

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"Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
>I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
>have
> in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and
> then
> forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
> instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would
> be
> ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
> online, a link would be great.
> Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com

Ron
Never mind about your grandson flying - can his system fly FSX
Delux?????????? or are you buying him a top of the range rig?

Antioch




Grand_Poobah

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Posted on:
Nov 28, 2007, 8:54 PM

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--->
> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
>> I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
>> have
>> in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and
>> then
>> forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
>> instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would
>> be
>> ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
>> online, a link would be great.
>> Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com
>
> Ron
> Never mind about your grandson flying - can his system fly FSX
> Delux?????????? or are you buying him a top of the range rig?
>
> Antioch
>
>

Ah. That's more to the point for sure. Can the intended computer
handle it? FSX is very demanding of CPU and video card (mostly video card).

GP



"Tony Sperling"

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Posted on:
Nov 28, 2007, 9:07 PM

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A 9 year old?

Well, consider that the FS is not a game - it really is a Simulator, and I
doubt he will have the patience to go through the rather demanding period of
learning to master your adventure-lust and doing anything sensible (even to
him) with a real plane. I'm not trying to discourage you, you know best, but
do at least give this a second thought.

Plus - are you aware that it will take something that most people would
regard as a monster machine to run this to anything approaching real-life
fidelity? That it would at the very least take a quite expensive machine to
even install it?

Personally guessing, there will be one or two new (and far better) versions
of FS released before he would appreciate having such a thing to 'play
around with'. All the while, the parents perhaps would induce him with
feelings of bad concience for not expressing proper 'gratitude' - a property
we all know children do not naturaly posses!

You may risk doing him a disservice?

Whatever you decide to do - good luck with it!


Tony. . .




"Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
>I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
>have
> in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and
> then
> forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
> instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would
> be
> ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
> online, a link would be great.
> Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com




Ron

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Posted on:
Nov 29, 2007, 12:11 AM

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Thanks for the reply. He is currently using WWII Pacific Theater,and a
Logitech 3D Pro controller. Neither one of us can controll the planes very
well,so I am plainning to purchase new controllers. I already have Saitek
pedals,but they cant be used with the Logitech controller, so a yoke is in my
future, unless some one convences me that a Saitek controller would be a
better chose. Any suggestiong would be appreciated.


"seeker" wrote:

> I don't think you need worry too much as:
>
> All the help files are web pages, intended to be read from inside the game's
> interface, but accessible with an ordinary browser once you know where to
> look.
>
> There's a very good "flight school" section to the game which'll get him up
> and running with a virtual instructor and teach him the basics of both
> flight and navigation.
>
> The game also includes structured missions which are a lot of fun and a
> nicely balanced learning tool.
>
> Flying it's self is easier than most people realize, it's navigation that's
> hard; and I'm not too sure that a 9 year old would be interested in
> instrument approaches for long anyway.
>
> Seeker
>
> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
> >I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
> >have
> > in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and
> > then
> > forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
> > instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would
> > be
> > ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
> > online, a link would be great.
> > Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com
>



"seeker"

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Posted on:
Nov 29, 2007, 11:51 AM

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Re: newbee [In reply to Ron] Not logged in -   Reply 

Saitek make a yoke!

Actually, I'm thinking of ordering one my self. I've had a couple of good
years out of a Saitek X-52; and can certainly recommend them as a value for
money supplier.

Seeker

"Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2633B486-A450-48D5-A211-F66734356148@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for the reply. He is currently using WWII Pacific Theater,and a
> Logitech 3D Pro controller. Neither one of us can controll the planes very
> well,so I am plainning to purchase new controllers. I already have Saitek
> pedals,but they cant be used with the Logitech controller, so a yoke is in
> my
> future, unless some one convences me that a Saitek controller would be a
> better chose. Any suggestiong would be appreciated.
>
>
> "seeker" wrote:
>
>> I don't think you need worry too much as:
>>
>> All the help files are web pages, intended to be read from inside the
>> game's
>> interface, but accessible with an ordinary browser once you know where to
>> look.
>>
>> There's a very good "flight school" section to the game which'll get him
>> up
>> and running with a virtual instructor and teach him the basics of both
>> flight and navigation.
>>
>> The game also includes structured missions which are a lot of fun and a
>> nicely balanced learning tool.
>>
>> Flying it's self is easier than most people realize, it's navigation
>> that's
>> hard; and I'm not too sure that a 9 year old would be interested in
>> instrument approaches for long anyway.
>>
>> Seeker
>>
>> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
>> >I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
>> >have
>> > in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started
>> > and
>> > then
>> > forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of
>> > the
>> > instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he
>> > would
>> > be
>> > ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is
>> > available
>> > online, a link would be great.
>> > Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com
>>




Ron

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Posted on:
Nov 29, 2007, 1:11 PM

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The yoke would be a CH Product, but what I need to know before I buy, is
,would I be better off with a CH yoke and Saitek pedals or a Saitek joy stick
and Saitek pedals. My Logic 3D pro joystick will not work with the pedals.
Thanks for the help

"seeker" wrote:

> Saitek make a yoke!
>
> Actually, I'm thinking of ordering one my self. I've had a couple of good
> years out of a Saitek X-52; and can certainly recommend them as a value for
> money supplier.
>
> Seeker
>
> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2633B486-A450-48D5-A211-F66734356148@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for the reply. He is currently using WWII Pacific Theater,and a
> > Logitech 3D Pro controller. Neither one of us can controll the planes very
> > well,so I am plainning to purchase new controllers. I already have Saitek
> > pedals,but they cant be used with the Logitech controller, so a yoke is in
> > my
> > future, unless some one convences me that a Saitek controller would be a
> > better chose. Any suggestiong would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > "seeker" wrote:
> >
> >> I don't think you need worry too much as:
> >>
> >> All the help files are web pages, intended to be read from inside the
> >> game's
> >> interface, but accessible with an ordinary browser once you know where to
> >> look.
> >>
> >> There's a very good "flight school" section to the game which'll get him
> >> up
> >> and running with a virtual instructor and teach him the basics of both
> >> flight and navigation.
> >>
> >> The game also includes structured missions which are a lot of fun and a
> >> nicely balanced learning tool.
> >>
> >> Flying it's self is easier than most people realize, it's navigation
> >> that's
> >> hard; and I'm not too sure that a 9 year old would be interested in
> >> instrument approaches for long anyway.
> >>
> >> Seeker
> >>
> >> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
> >> >I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they
> >> >have
> >> > in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started
> >> > and
> >> > then
> >> > forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of
> >> > the
> >> > instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he
> >> > would
> >> > be
> >> > ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is
> >> > available
> >> > online, a link would be great.
> >> > Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com
> >>
>



"scott s."

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Posted on:
Nov 29, 2007, 4:25 PM

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=?Utf-8?B?Um9u?= <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
news:361D59C2-9876-4CB3-B9D8-48CDB768F533@microsoft.com:

> The yoke would be a CH Product, but what I need to know before I buy,
> is ,would I be better off with a CH yoke and Saitek pedals or a Saitek
> joy stick and Saitek pedals. My Logic 3D pro joystick will not work
> with the pedals. Thanks for the help

I don't understand why your sitck won't work with pedals.

scott s.
.


"seeker"

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Posted on:
Nov 29, 2007, 5:16 PM

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Well, I'm a relative noob to FSX my self, but I've been flying other sims
for over ten years.

CH is reputedly the best one can buy, (although expensive), and I do know
several people who use CH equipment with Saitek pedals.

Seeker

"Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:361D59C2-9876-4CB3-B9D8-48CDB768F533@microsoft.com...
> The yoke would be a CH Product, but what I need to know before I buy, is
> ,would I be better off with a CH yoke and Saitek pedals or a Saitek joy
> stick
> and Saitek pedals. My Logic 3D pro joystick will not work with the pedals.
> Thanks for the help
>
> "seeker" wrote:
>
>> Saitek make a yoke!
>>
>> Actually, I'm thinking of ordering one my self. I've had a couple of good
>> years out of a Saitek X-52; and can certainly recommend them as a value
>> for
>> money supplier.
>>
>> Seeker
>>
>> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:2633B486-A450-48D5-A211-F66734356148@microsoft.com...
>> > Thanks for the reply. He is currently using WWII Pacific Theater,and a
>> > Logitech 3D Pro controller. Neither one of us can controll the planes
>> > very
>> > well,so I am plainning to purchase new controllers. I already have
>> > Saitek
>> > pedals,but they cant be used with the Logitech controller, so a yoke is
>> > in
>> > my
>> > future, unless some one convences me that a Saitek controller would be
>> > a
>> > better chose. Any suggestiong would be appreciated.
>> >
>> >
>> > "seeker" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I don't think you need worry too much as:
>> >>
>> >> All the help files are web pages, intended to be read from inside the
>> >> game's
>> >> interface, but accessible with an ordinary browser once you know where
>> >> to
>> >> look.
>> >>
>> >> There's a very good "flight school" section to the game which'll get
>> >> him
>> >> up
>> >> and running with a virtual instructor and teach him the basics of both
>> >> flight and navigation.
>> >>
>> >> The game also includes structured missions which are a lot of fun and
>> >> a
>> >> nicely balanced learning tool.
>> >>
>> >> Flying it's self is easier than most people realize, it's navigation
>> >> that's
>> >> hard; and I'm not too sure that a 9 year old would be interested in
>> >> instrument approaches for long anyway.
>> >>
>> >> Seeker
>> >>
>> >> "Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:F8F6859E-DA65-4FEC-8EA0-2F427F50FA4C@microsoft.com...
>> >> >I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as
>> >> >they
>> >> >have
>> >> > in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started
>> >> > and
>> >> > then
>> >> > forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part
>> >> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he
>> >> > would
>> >> > be
>> >> > ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is
>> >> > available
>> >> > online, a link would be great.
>> >> > Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com
>> >>
>>




"antioch"

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Posted on:
Nov 29, 2007, 6:09 PM

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"Ron" <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2633B486-A450-48D5-A211-F66734356148@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for the reply. He is currently using WWII Pacific Theater,and a
> Logitech 3D Pro controller. Neither one of us can controll the planes very
> well,so I am plainning to purchase new controllers. I already have Saitek
> pedals,but they cant be used with the Logitech controller, so a yoke is in
> my
> future, unless some one convences me that a Saitek controller would be a
> better chose. Any suggestiong would be appreciated.

Ron
You still have not mentioned the rig he intends to fly on?
We promise not to laugh Smile
But if you can get FS2004 or even perhaps FS2002(prob second-hand), that
would be good for him to practise - and if he has a reasonable rig, the
results would be more rewarding and keep him happy.
My 6 year old grandson can fly the Cessna quite well now just with an MS
Force Feedback2 - take off is fine - its the landings - I leave the room.
Re yoke/pedals - I tend to buy same make - should avoid compatibility probs.
Good luck
Antioch






Ron

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Posted on:
Nov 30, 2007, 11:48 AM

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Re: newbee [In reply to "scott s."] Not logged in -   Reply 

This may only applies to the logitech stick and I have been told this by
several users and suppliers

"scott s." wrote:

> =?Utf-8?B?Um9u?= <Ron@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> news:361D59C2-9876-4CB3-B9D8-48CDB768F533@microsoft.com:
>
> > The yoke would be a CH Product, but what I need to know before I buy,
> > is ,would I be better off with a CH yoke and Saitek pedals or a Saitek
> > joy stick and Saitek pedals. My Logic 3D pro joystick will not work
> > with the pedals. Thanks for the help
>
> I don't understand why your sitck won't work with pedals.
>
> scott s.
> ..
>



ajob

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Dec 1, 2007, 9:12 AM

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Ron:

I fly simulators since the Apple II "wireframe", and still fly gliders in
the real world (at World Championship level), starting in 1970.

A comment on your post: a 9 years old is usually old enough to begin
appreciating what FSX is all about, IF interested.

To enhance a lot his initial FSX experience, you may consider looking for a
flight club in your area (sailplane if possible, but power flying a good
second best), and offer your grandson one or two passenger flights (just make
sure the pilot is a fatherly guy, not ä "I''ll show him aerobatics" type -
best, a seasoned flight intstructor). This will "anchor" his FSX experience
forever in the real world, and upgrade it from a "one more PC game" to a
"simulation of the real world" activity.

Then, he will decide - it's difficult to predict how people react to flying.

A lucky grandson, you have...

--------------------------
"Ron" wrote:

> I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they have
> in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and then
> forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
> instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would be
> ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
> online, a link would be great.
> Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com



Ron

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Dec 11, 2007, 6:13 PM

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Thanks for the idea. I will do that when he can takeoff and land on a FS and
knows the basics of navigation. A good part of FSX is that he can fly the
type of plane he will go up on in the FS and get a lot more out of the
experance.

"ajob" wrote:

> Ron:
>
> I fly simulators since the Apple II "wireframe", and still fly gliders in
> the real world (at World Championship level), starting in 1970.
>
> A comment on your post: a 9 years old is usually old enough to begin
> appreciating what FSX is all about, IF interested.
>
> To enhance a lot his initial FSX experience, you may consider looking for a
> flight club in your area (sailplane if possible, but power flying a good
> second best), and offer your grandson one or two passenger flights (just make
> sure the pilot is a fatherly guy, not ä "I''ll show him aerobatics" type -
> best, a seasoned flight intstructor). This will "anchor" his FSX experience
> forever in the real world, and upgrade it from a "one more PC game" to a
> "simulation of the real world" activity.
>
> Then, he will decide - it's difficult to predict how people react to flying.
>
> A lucky grandson, you have...
>
> --------------------------
> "Ron" wrote:
>
> > I am giving my 9 year grandson FSX delux for Xmas. If things go as they have
> > in past he will read just enought of the instructions to get started and then
> > forget that they even exist. If some one could email me all or part of the
> > instructions or read me files, I could give them to him now and he would be
> > ready. It would be like groung school. Or, if this material is available
> > online, a link would be great.
> > Thanks, Ron ron.johnson3@tx.rr. com



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